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Title: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: lazerblade on August 21, 2010, 11:08:59 PM
I wasn't here for any of rapid prototype, but from what I've seen it looks like
basically nobody made/finished an entry last time. Thence, there was no competition.

What's next? What do the members think should be next?
Should we reboot the same session? Should we start with a new one? Should the rules change?

We should get some discussion going about this, and exchange some idea's or opinions.

If we reboot/extend session 16, I will definitely try to pull something together.
If we start a new session I'll most likely be interested in entering.

The one thing that I wouldn't like would be for rapid prototype to die right before I
found it.

As for the rules, I think they're good. Two weeks is just the right amount of time to put together a simple game based on a particular concept.


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: mpersano on August 22, 2010, 11:39:19 PM
I failed in the last installment, but if there's a new iteration I'll try my best to finish something.


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: lazerblade on August 23, 2010, 12:37:14 AM
Yeah, it looks like nobody finished even though people tried out.

I think we should reboot/extend session sixteen.
That way not only will there be another session(picked by the winner),
but it will also give a chance for session sixteen to show the value of it's theme.
Plus it will help us shmup developers to be more open minded about what can be in a shmup.


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: mpersano on August 23, 2010, 12:45:36 PM
I suggest we reboot Session 16 (we can call it Session 16 1/2) and set the deadline to September 5th or 12th. We could start this week.

I've been inactive for too long and my fingers are itching to do something. Having a clear deadline would be good.


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: lazerblade on August 23, 2010, 06:16:41 PM
September 12th sounds more probable unless session 16 is rebooted like today or really soon, which is probably unlikely.

If we get a few more people posting here who are interested in a reboot, I might ask the2bears about it.


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: kdmiller3 on August 25, 2010, 02:44:52 AM
Session 16 II: Electric Boogaloo ;D


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: lazerblade on August 25, 2010, 03:31:50 AM
Is that a reference to the thread of your unfinished entry?

"I do not know what a, boogaloo is."  :wink1:

I DO know what the electric boogaloo is.
However I am unable to compute the vastness of the gap between the genre of shmup,
and it's connection to the electric boogaloo. :laugh1: lol


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: mpersano on August 25, 2010, 12:59:03 PM
Wikipedia to the rescue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakin%27_2:_Electric_Boogaloo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakin%27_2:_Electric_Boogaloo)

'Since the release of the film, the unusual subtitle "Electric Boogaloo," a reference to a funk-oriented dance style from the 1970s, has become a commonly used snowclone concerning sequels. The implications vary, but tend to imply a sequel that is ridiculous, absurd, unwanted, unnecessary, formulaic, or simply obscure.'

:-)


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: lazerblade on August 25, 2010, 02:03:53 PM
Ahhh, I have been enlightened!  :D
This is the one I found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_boogaloo

Quote
Electric boogaloo (sometimes mistakenly referred to as electric boogie) is a style of funk dance and hip hop dance closely related to popping.


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: kemical on August 27, 2010, 05:54:59 PM
I would try to contribute to a new rapid prototype session, I hope things get rebooted/restarted.


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: lazerblade on August 27, 2010, 06:07:16 PM
Extending session sixteen might lead to cheating and or mistrust due to the theme already being out.
It's probably best that we somehow pick a theme and move on to #17.

But, the question there is where would that theme come from?
Maybe I should whip up some game and submit it way past the deadline just to see what happens.

I AM motivated.  8)


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: worstplayer on August 27, 2010, 09:07:26 PM
Yep, it's time for session 17, with new theme. Something simple, so anyone can join.


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: TMR on August 27, 2010, 09:41:30 PM
Yep, it's time for session 17, with new theme. Something simple, so anyone can join.

Tell you what, i don't plan to take part so if people come up with ideas i'll pick the one i like and that can be the theme. Or something. =-)


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: CaptainJustice on August 28, 2010, 02:20:45 AM
Proposition: Everyone submits an idea, then everyone gets two votes, and you can't vote for your own?


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: moosa on August 28, 2010, 06:55:31 PM
Either that or the first person to make a submission to session 16 wins by default...


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: lagonie on September 11, 2010, 10:43:55 PM
I hereby promise to contribute to session #17, just please dont let this die  :P

My idea for theme-ideas: everyone go ask theyr girl friend (or boy friend) for a suitable theme for a shmup contest. ...then we gonna vore :D


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: lief on September 12, 2010, 05:02:58 AM
my girlfriends ideas...

india, obama, and the effect of space travel on the health system (?)
animals minerals and vegetables
colombia
plutonic rage (?)
water on the moon
burning bridges to mars

'thats all.'





Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: moosa on September 12, 2010, 08:14:49 AM
^LOL

Well, lazerblade did submit the only completed entry to session 16, so I'd be okay with calling him the winner and letting him pick the next theme. :)


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: kdmiller3 on September 12, 2010, 05:18:52 PM
That works for me.  :)


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: lazerblade on September 12, 2010, 05:25:06 PM
I am the great hero of shmupDev.
I demand exclusive rights to royal treatment and pampering.

 ;)
Not really.

I wouldn't mind picking the next theme, although I'm having a little difficulty coming up with something unique.
Whether or not I get to pick the next theme or am an official winner, I would still be glad to see rapid
prototype alive again.


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: mpersano on September 16, 2010, 12:00:46 AM
/me bows before lazerblade

How about paying homage to the game that started it all? Idea: make Space Invaders - "with a twist".


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: kdmiller3 on September 16, 2010, 02:14:00 PM
While that would initially seem to be much more constraining than past themes, it would let everyone focus on "the twist" instead of the overall concept.  (Sometimes you have an idea right at the beginning, and sometimes you don't get one until near the end--I've experienced both extremes in past sessions.)


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: CaptainJustice on September 16, 2010, 10:12:29 PM
I vote for "india, obama, and the effect of space travel on the health system"


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: lazerblade on September 17, 2010, 02:44:34 PM
I think we should stay away from themes related to plot line and stick with ones related to gameplay.
BTW, it might not be a good idea to publish theme idea's in this thread.  ;)
The theme wouldn't be a secret and therefore there would be no 2 week time limit.

I've got a few idea's conjuring up, but we still haven't decided who will/how the next theme will be picked. We need a solid decision.


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: mpersano on September 17, 2010, 03:48:12 PM
The theme wouldn't be a secret and therefore there would be no 2 week time limit.

You're taking this too seriously. :-)


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: CaptainJustice on September 18, 2010, 12:38:14 AM
Solution: Everyone think of something very open-ended and curious and fun and things and send it to lazerblade in a PM.

When he gets one he likes he can post an I GOT ONE I LIKED message.

And then we'll find a date, etc.

Bonus: He won't start ahead of time.


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: moosa on September 18, 2010, 06:10:03 AM
I'VE ALREADY STARTED MINE I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS ARE WAITING FOR.


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: lief on September 18, 2010, 08:08:53 AM
WHAT THEME MOOSA


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: lazerblade on September 18, 2010, 11:54:41 AM
WHY ARE WE TALKING IN ALL CAPS?


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: CaptainJustice on September 18, 2010, 01:37:51 PM
Moosa that WAS JUST DESPICABLEEEEEE


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: moosa on September 19, 2010, 03:11:25 AM
Muahahahahahaaa.
But I'm going to WIN.
First the Rapid Prototype Session... then THE WORLD!!!

There's nothing you can do to stop me. I'm already too far ahead!
BAAHAHAHAHAAA!


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: wondersonic on September 19, 2010, 10:37:01 AM
Oh My God!  ;D


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: lagonie on September 19, 2010, 08:33:28 PM
because this is anarchy allready... I am just following Cpt. Justice's suggestions.

@Lazerblade: you should get my theme-idea soon


...and if there are no crucial reasons against the 26th of september, in seven days we will meet again, so remember  ....  :shocked2:


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: lazerblade on September 19, 2010, 09:36:02 PM
One of you sent me a pm with a theme similar to what I'd already been thinking, so if I get to pick the next theme I know what it will be.

P.S:

   "I GOT ONE I LIKED message"


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: moosa on September 20, 2010, 02:11:21 AM
I think you should PM the2bears about it lazerblade.


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: lazerblade on September 20, 2010, 11:44:57 AM
Done.


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: mpersano on September 22, 2010, 11:52:39 AM
So we start on Sep 26?


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: lazerblade on September 22, 2010, 03:41:29 PM
I don't know.
Hope we do though.

Still haven't heard back from the2bears yet...


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: moosa on September 23, 2010, 03:12:42 AM
Hey, if you guys are set on starting on that date, and the2bears doesn't reply before then, just go ahead and start it without him. Nobody will mind, I promise. ;)


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: lazerblade on September 23, 2010, 04:52:15 PM
All in favor of that idea, put up the shades.

   8)


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: Null1024 on September 24, 2010, 12:03:55 AM
 8)

[Haven't been here in ages, although that's because I haven't made anything in ages. Just started with the Stencyl beta, and occasionally dabble in GM, but not as much as before...]


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: lazerblade on September 25, 2010, 11:02:25 PM
The 26th is tomorrow (in my time zone) so I'll try to start session seventeen then
as long as nobody states an objection.


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: lagonie on September 26, 2010, 02:31:49 AM
in my zime zone it is already 5:28 a.m. the 26th ;)
hard to wait for your anouncement :D


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: lazerblade on September 26, 2010, 05:45:43 PM
Lol, I didn't notice that I wasn't allowed to create new boards.  ::)

I'll just announce it in this thread.


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: kdmiller3 on September 27, 2010, 01:07:37 AM
I found that out too.  I was going to start a 17th session a couple months ago but got stymied by that little fact.  I never thought of posting it elsewhere.  :D


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: the2bears on October 13, 2010, 01:05:19 AM
I'm really busy these days, but getting the itch again to code a game.  Haven't done anything since my last entry in... how many months ago?  Is it over a year? 

Thinking that the 2 week format doesn't give enough time with my schedule.  Thoughts on a longer time frame?  Perhaps with the expectation that the games are a little (just a little) more polished?

Bill


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: lazerblade on October 13, 2010, 01:57:17 AM
Yea, I've had thoughts about session length as well.
I think increasing session length would be a good idea.
The only problem would be if it became longer than a month.
After all it is Rapid prototype.  ::)
After #17, we should decide how long the sessions will be.


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: lagonie on October 13, 2010, 08:24:29 AM
I had to experience it too ^^

To study and running two projects the same time is very time consuming.

I could think of 3-4 Weeks.  The standard for finished entries would increase automatic, i think. So we dont have to worry about setting new requirements or something...

 


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: moosa on October 14, 2010, 04:27:25 AM
Making it too long would make it too daunting though. Expectations would be higher and you'd have to dedicate more into each session. In my opinion, no more than 3 weeks would be best.


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: lazerblade on October 14, 2010, 01:39:14 PM
Three weeks would be my preference as well.
Since at least two sessions have been extended an extra week, it probably wouldn't hurt.


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: lazerblade on October 14, 2010, 01:43:38 PM
Ooooo, just noticed that I started a 'Hot Topic'.   :cool1:
Do I get an award or something?  ;D


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: moosa on October 19, 2010, 05:11:53 AM
If you do then somebody owes me something.


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: lazerblade on October 19, 2010, 05:54:12 PM
You should vote Moosa, otherwise we'll be doomed to a tie.


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: moosa on October 20, 2010, 10:19:24 AM
What you should have said is "You should vote Moosa, otherwise you'll be doomed to die." That may have motivated me.

Truth be told I haven't actually tried yours yet lazerblade. Therefore I can't rightfully vote... ;)


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: lagonie on October 25, 2010, 04:31:40 PM
Ok two-man compo is over we can bury the board again :p





(and some call me polemic...zzz)


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: lazerblade on October 25, 2010, 07:44:00 PM
LOL, I'd never even heard of choplifter before.  :D
I'll have to find some way to play it...

And it's not over yet. We've got almost a whole week to go and moosa hasn't voted yet.


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: lagonie on October 25, 2010, 09:30:44 PM
Till then we two can try to setup the shmup-dev wiki, if you like.

just pm me. best with some icq or msn adress.  (of course anyone can...)


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: kemical on November 02, 2010, 04:29:15 PM
I like experimentalgameplay.com's format, you're only allowed to spend 7 days total on your entry, but the theme runs for the whole month so it allows a flexible schedule.

I only dislike the month wait between themes, I really think it would be nice to give a two week window with the rule that you're limited to 7 days total, that way there is still flexibility for schedules and there isn't the thought of it being a race to crunch and polish the longest in order to have the best entry.

Keep in mind that these are Rapid Prototype Sessions... we really shouldn't need more than a total week of actual work, it shouldn't be about who can polish the longest. 


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: moosa on November 03, 2010, 02:25:53 AM
That's a cool idea but I foresee problems... How do you really limit yourself to only spending that much time on it? A deadline is a deadline and you either finish in time or you don't, simple, but with this on top of it you're really restricting your ability to be flexible according to your project's needs. There are always unforeseen issues and judging the amount of time it will take to implement your project's different components can be very difficult. I don't think that everyone here is confident enough in their programming and development skills to be able to work within that kind of self-imposed restriction with much success.


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: lazerblade on November 03, 2010, 04:02:59 AM
I agree with moosa, that would increase the stress level which would in turn decrease the quality of the prototype.

I think two weeks is an optimal amount of time to spend, as it gives you enough time to create a solid prototype rather than something that feels rushed and incomplete. Now I'm definitely not saying that a prototype needs to be a complete game or anything close to it. Two weeks allows for a solid error margin and still keeps it from becoming a race of polish.

The main problem that we seem to see is scheduling. If you for example work every other week, then you would only get one week of work in for a two week session. But extending it to three or four weeks would give the others so much extra time it wouldn't be fair. One week is too short, three is almost too long, two weeks can cause scheduling problems. It comes down to picking the lesser of a few evils.

I like two weeks, could live with one or three though.


Title: Re: What do we think about the future rapid prototype
Post by: moosa on November 03, 2010, 09:09:51 AM
Lets look at it this way. It's always been two weeks, laid back, nothing complicated. It's worked successfully in the past. I'm thinking the only thing we really need is more interest and excitement again. We can't ever expect everyone to be able to participate and successfully complete an entry for every session, but the more interest we can generate from more people, the more entries we'll receive and the more people will get excited about it and want to do what they can to participate in the future sessions. Its sort of a momentum thing. Traffic to this site is very low right now, so I think a lot of this discussion is spawning from the idea of trying to cater to the very few that float around here. Maybe we just need more people interested.